I ahve had these on order for alomost 8 months now. I have called Kel tec and they had some issues with the intial production. They have revamped this PMR30 3 times now. It is extremely high in demand and cannot wait to get them in. I ordered 10 of these just because Keltec said they were not going to make many of them. I guess with all tyhe new models they're coming out with, they think these are not as important. I have had many, many, many people asking me for these. I did get to shoot one, and they are a good shooter with no hiccups. It would be an awesome camp gun and plinker?? I know 22 mag is getting expensive as well.